Well that cuts down on jig's work, I suppose.

I was thinking that if they are almost an empire, that they should have two buildings to reflect that they aren't just a simple minor race.

It provides an additional reason for getting them to join you as well. (Coz you need one)

*Edit - I found a really cool pic. I'm not sure how useful it could be, but take a look at this:



What do you guys think? I know it's a bit late, but what about the prison of the mind structure?*

Well the funny thing is, I found that pic whilst I was looking for pics of Utopia Planitia! 8O

The website that i got that pic off is entitled Utopia Planitia, but exactly what it has to do with Mars, I don't know.

Just take a look at the website, you'll know what i mean:

Grazerite Bio-institute
Having a natural bond with nature and biological processes, the Grazerite's Bio-institute allows the owner to study this vast nature of their homeworld in more detail.
+50% biotech research

Well that sounds cool enough, Centurion.

You've even gone to the trouble of giving it it's own description, so why don't we use it?

Alternatively - you could view their land as a huge nature reserve and count it as an empire-wide morale booster? Due to their affinity with their natural habitat, the Grazerite homeworld is one of the best preserved and unspoiled planets in the quadrant. Citizens flock from afar to admire the natural beauty and rejuvenate their energies.

The Graezerite Preserve or similar. Depends on how many morale boosters vs research enhancers you have, I guess. It sounds a bit hippyish too.

Was the Gorn one empire wide or just planetary?

Probably planetarian. For as far as I know there aren't empire-wide groundcombat bonusses. It would be cool, though!

If we need more morale bonusses, we can combine the two idea's in a new building (in that case, scrap the other one I suggested)

Environmental habitats
The Grazerites' homeworld is one of the few planets in the galaxy where flora and fauna is still in its purest and most natural state. The environmental habitats allow the grazerites to maintain that beauty and allow visitors and scientists to research and admire these riches.
+50% biotech research, +1 morale

Ooh, very nice and hippy! Peace man!

Seeing as there are going to be soo many races in the game, with all those bonuses, the bonuses have to be a bit more restricted Centurion.

A bonus of around 30% Bio research would be more appropriate. If they aren't restricted, we'll end up with unbelievably massive bonuses during the game... (:lol:)

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Love your avatar by the way Huntingdon! So which one of the emoticons are you? The assimilator, or the assimilated?

Welcome to the site, resistance is futile!

Happy posting!

okay, then. We'll just keep it at these ones:

Gorn Barracks
Rapid expansion is vital to the Gorn Imperium. The Gorn barracks ensures that the imperium and her allies never runs out of fresh recruits for attack and defense duties.
+40% Ground defense

Grazerite Bio-institute
Having a natural bond with nature and biological processes, the Grazerite's Bio-institute allows the owner to study this vast nature of their homeworld in more detail.
+30% biotech research


If everyone agrees, let's move on to the H's.

Where are the Iconnu from?

The Hirogen one is very good, but the Hupyrian ones seem a bit off.

Weren't the Hupyrians into selling bettle snuff and making good servants? - Perhaps they should give us a bonus to trade routes?

Hupyrian commodities market:
Trade routes are 10% more profitable?

Possible alternative to the Horta one would be a bonus to terraforming - Horta gological survey: Terraforming times cut by 10%

The Hekaran one might be more relevant to Propulsion technology if that's still in?

Thanks for the welcome, matress. Naturally, I'm the assimilator.

Your Halkan building looks a lot like the Mizarian Monument of Surrender. Besides, you can't give an empire-wide morale bonus because of their peacefull nature. The Klingons, for instance, wouldn't be that happy with it. How about making a more unique bonus this time:

Halkan Diplomacy Ministery
In 1000 year of peacefull relations, the Halkans have developped supreme diplomatic skills. The Diplomatic Ministery coordinates transmissions throughout your empire, preventing many misunderstandings between empire members and outside factions.
+ x% bribe resistance among all member races.

I do not know in much detail how bribing of other people's minors is going to take place in BotF2. But I propose it to work someway as the Communication Grid from BotF, but then for all empires. A workable and realistic number can only be decided on by the real programmers.

If I read the description correctly, the Horta are sillicon-based (thus made of rock and minerals). It would be illogical for them to give a mining bonus since that would mean mining their own species to a level.

From what I read of it, perhaps it would be better off as a random event like the combat drone was in BotF. A random event that makes it impossible to mine on their world once you colonised it.
A true minor race would be a bit odd as I don't even know if they are sentient. I figure they aren't.

Much of Devil in the Dark was devoted to discovering that they actually ARE sentient.

They've featured as characters in quite a few of the books - most prominently Naraht - and I think we saw one in the animated series?

They'd definitely count as a minor race proper. I could see the Cardassians or Klingons not bothering to discover their sentients though.

Mining wouldn't be too odd, because although they're mineral based - they wouldn't be mining themselves. It'd be no more destructive than humans farming livestock.

A planet is rather a huge hunk of rock as well. They evolved there millions of years ago, and yet there is still enough to keep them alive.

I think that would be enough rock for the purposes of a game.

Point of interest - The Filandia are listed in the Race thread, but without a description. Are they still in, or being left out?

We haven't assigned them a building.



I can't actually find any info on them either. Anyone know anything?

Hmmz, that'd be too bad. I disagree, actualy. It has to be possible to break relations with 2 factions. That has to include a membership treaty between 2 races. How often did it occur in BotF? Realy?

Besides, I just loved destroying relations between an empire and a minor with my spies and then moving the diplomats in to reap the benefits

I quite enjoyed it too, and it'd likely be a big factor in Romulan diplomacy.

However - perhaps the intelligence section could take over - you bribe various officials to improve your relationship, or assasinate them etc...

Relations can still change between races - members can still break away, as can your own colonised systems.

This was a discussion from a long time ago. Things have changed since then, and perhaps you will still be able to bribe minors.

I think if this happens, you will have to get the minor race to REALLY trust you - remember that the game will learn how you play. Every time you break an alliance, it will affect how EVERY race that knows knows of you thinks of you. Those races that are peaceful will think very poorly of you for your actions, whilst waring races may thank you for going to their aid, or will think you are dishonourable.

The game will be far more 'intelligent' than BOTF was, and these matters have been stated by Gavin himself. Remember that if you fancy a go at swearing in Klingon, the alien race may very well respond! (This doesn't necessarily mean the game will understand what you said though)

Of course, it won't be able to respond to every word in every language and dictionary under the stars, but it will recognise key words, (At least in english when first released) giving the impression that it does.

Just remember the pic that Gavin showed us in the screenies thread:



There you go then, now you can carry on dreaming of BOTF2...

Any more comments on the ones suggested here?

There are two suggestions for the Halkans, Horta and Huyperians - do people have a preference, or shall we move on with the remaining structures and consolidate later?

Haakonian Metreon Lab
+25% Offense Tech, +5% Energy Tech

Halanan Psychoprojection Field
+15% Defense Tech

1.Halkan Monument of Peace
+1 morale Empire-Wide

2.Halkan Diplomacy Ministery
In 1000 year of peacefull relations, the Halkans have developped supreme diplomatic skills. The Diplomatic Ministery coordinates transmissions throughout your empire, preventing many misunderstandings between empire members and outside factions.
+ x% bribe resistance among all member races.


Hazari Mercenary Camp
+10% Ground Offense Empire-Wide, +20% Ground Defense Hazari Only

Hekaran Warp Theory Institute
+20% Energy Tech

Hirogen Subspace Relay Network
+1 Scanner Range Empire-Wide

1.Horta Mines
+ 25% Raw Materials

2.Horta gological survey:
Terraforming times cut by 10%

1.Hupyrian Deuterium Refinery
+15% Deuterium

2.Hupyrian commodities market:
Trade routes are 10% more profitable

Iconnu Soldier Camp
+10% Officers

I think the 1st Horta one, and the second hupran ones sound good. If bribing isn't a huge factor then the second Halkan one might not be such an advantage - although it might guarantee that a minor race couldn't now be bribed away from you. Would that be a bonus worth having?

I agree, we should probably get going and consolidate at a later time.
J,K,L
So some ideas:(Keeping in mind we need buildings for the J'naii, Kaelon, Kantare, Karemman, Kazon, Kellerun, Krenim, Kreetassan, Ktarian, and Lurian (Ktarian already have BOTF1 building))
(If you need to read a description for the Kantare or Kaelon, they are on p.18 or so of the race pictures for the game thread, they were never added into the front page)

Kaelon Fusion Reactors
+10% Energy Tech, +25% Industry
Kantare Holographic Festival
+15% Social Tech, +1 morale
Karemman Planetary Bazaar
+20% Trade Credits, +1 Trade Route to Karemma
Kellerun Harvester Hanger
+25% Offense Tech
Krenim Temporal Engagement Facility
+20% Sabotague
Ktarian Game Studio
+10% Sabotague

These are my only semi-good ideas, my ones for the rest of them really sucked.

I'd say all of those are good.

The J'naii have me stumped - the only thing I can see them benefitting is Government Tech somehow (I'm not entirely clear what government tech is?). They seem to have quite a good education system, albeit represseive, so perhpas something building on that? Or:

J'naii corrective therapy centre:
+1 morale, 25% Industry

Kazon Battlegrounds:
The Kazon must prove themselves from an early age in combat arenas. These give the Kazon considerable experience in hand to hand and planetary combat.
+50% Ground defence. + 30 Ship experience

Can't help with Kreetassan

Lurians:
The Lurians are a slow peaceful people who are nonetheless extremely reliable. Consequently many producers are content to entrust their goods to the Lurians for safe delivery: +1 trade route

^I suppose that makes sense for government tech. A bit odd though... I suppose the social tech is stuff like increasing production and morale?

The Hekarans would be more logical with propulsion tech - but according to the list at the start, that isn't an option in the new version. Energy tech is the closest you can get.

I agree about the Horta.

That means we just need something for the Kreetassans. Any thoughts? I didn't see their episode.